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Calisto Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:29:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:
Put a timer on the mothership. When timer runs out, mothership is gone, incursion dissapears.
Agree 100%.
I vote for a 7 day countdown timer.
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Calisto Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:45:00 -
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Camios wrote:
Hisec PVE should give you less money and more fun. It would be even then.
So highsec incursions are better payouts than their low/null counterparts? I agree, that is unbalanced.
On the same note, high sec is more fun, absolutely, but thats due to not being a slave to a null overlord and being used as nothing but pawns to line someody elses pocket and not having the brains to stop for a moment and question it. Null bears deserve their own fate for being mindless drones.
Reminds me of the borg in a way lol
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Calisto Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:46:00 -
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Telvani wrote:Really hope these tears are genuine, how about you use all that isk your farmed to dec / suicide gank them? Eve is not a PVE game.
EVE is a sandbox, therefor its whatever i want it to be. Think before you click post. |
Calisto Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:01:00 -
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Camios wrote:Calisto Fox wrote:Camios wrote:
Hisec PVE should give you less money and more fun. It would be even then.
So highsec incursions are better payouts than their low/null counterparts? I agree, that is unbalanced. On the same note, high sec is more fun, absolutely, but thats due to not being a slave to a null overlord and being used as nothing but pawns to line someody elses pocket and not having the brains to stop for a moment and question it. Null bears deserve their own fate for being mindless drones. Reminds me of the borg in a way lol Yes. Try this: First go in hisec and take part in an incursion fleet, and write down how much you get isk vs hour wise. Then go into lowsec or nullsec and try do the same without being blown up. If you can, you'll get more money, if you cannot you'll get less money afterall, in the sense that it's economically convenient to stay in highsec if you're not part of a corporation that can afford staying in lowsec/0.0 and protect their PVE operations. Just that, prove me wrong. And stop trollling about "nullsec drones" please.
Ignoring low sec for the sake of making my point, isnt the whole point of null sec to own your own space?
I would imagine owning your own systems, and having scouts everywhere ( as i imagine every null corp/alliance would do ) would give ample protection against any "unexpected visitors" to the incursions. Not 100% sure but i presume cyno jammers are in effect even in null sec incursions, so unless your part of a fail corp your going to have 30mins advance warning of any undesirables crashing your null incursions fountains and costing you shineys.
To answer your question though, it really depends on the circumstances.
Personally, i only fly shield logistics, either basi or schimi so my outlay is relatively small compared to say a NM or Mach.
IF i get a fleet right away upon logging in, and IF that fleet is full of shineys who encounter zero competition for sites for a whole 60mins, than yes, i could rack up 120-160m per hour blitzing VG's at approx 3mins per site.
But you guys just presume thats the status quo for incursions. Its not. Its really really not lol
It might take 30-60 mins to find a fleet, that fleet might be a fail fleet consisting of missile boats with **** poor dps so the sites might take 6-7 mins to blitz. Take that into account and im making maybe 50-60m per hour, again, it all depends on drop outs and bio breaks too, and thats only slightly better than L4's.
You guys need to get it out of your heads that VG's are all un contested sites for hours on end and fleets dont fight to run them every minute of everyday a site is up.
The 'possible' rewards for incursions dont exist in reality as fleets, no matter how shiney, will always be up against half a dozen other shiney fleets all vying for the same site.
The realistic isk per hour for high sec incursions probably averages out at about 70m or so give or take. Sure some people will be making upwards of 100m per hour, but then others will be bearly scraping 40m per hour doing the same thing.
You guys are mounting an offensive against a make believe isk per hour ratio. |
Calisto Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:23:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Calisto Fox wrote:The realistic isk per hour for high sec incursions probably averages out at about 70m or so give or take. Sure some people will be making upwards of 100m per hour, but then others will be bearly scraping 40m per hour doing the same thing.
You guys are mounting an offensive against a make believe isk per hour ratio. 40M ISK/h is still a ridiculous ratio.
Oh really? So what next on the witch hunt? L4 missions because they pay an easy 40m ph.
If you even play eve and dont top 40m per hour doing pve in high sec than you need to go back to playing wow or my horse and me.
What about exploration? Lets look at that for a moment, due to the incursions situation i decided to explore the forge for 10hrs yesterday.
I found 4 or 5 radars that gave me approx 15m each and 5 GSO's which netted me 3 C-type shield boosters at 350m each and numerous hardeners ranging from 10m each to 50m each. In all i finished my day 1.2b up on when i started.
Theres your 120m per hour in high sec, go cry to CCP and if you cry enough tears maybe they'll buckle under the pressure of bitter null bears and change the mechanics to suit you. Not like it hasnt happened before right?......
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Calisto Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:36:00 -
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Andski wrote:Calisto Fox wrote:I found 4 or 5 radars that gave me approx 15m each and 5 GSO's which netted me 3 C-type shield boosters at 350m each and numerous hardeners ranging from 10m each to 50m each. In all i finished my day 1.2b up on when i started.
Theres your 120m per hour in high sec, go cry to CCP and if you cry enough tears maybe they'll buckle under the pressure of bitter null bears and change the mechanics to suit you. Not like it hasnt happened before right?......
Yeah, nobody cares about drops. ISK changes hands in that case, it's not created out of thin air.
Like moo goo iskies you mean? |
Calisto Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Calisto Fox wrote:Like moo goo iskies you mean? Correct. Moon goo does not create any ISK.
So it's given away free on the marketplace then right?
It doesnt spawn instant isks into your wallet like bounties/incursions do, but it creates moongoo from thin air, which is then sold for iskies to line your overlords pockets.
Moon goo has been hushed up for far too long and you null bears have had it too good with your moon isk printing machines, everytime its been brought up on these forums do you all rally to sweep it under the carpet and justify it.
Maybe its time for us carebears to kick up enough of a stink about the null goo isk faucets? Maybe if we all stamp our feet loud enough and complain at every oppertunity, then CCP might go ahead with the long overdue nerf.
Null tears = Best tears. |
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